Posts by Jules Saturn

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What would happen to a JW who respectfully refused to fill out a no blood DPA?

by Island Man in

i know you'll be involuntarily disassociated if you unrepentantly accepted a blood transfusion; and i know you'll be disfellowshipped for apostasy if you openly disagreed with watchtower teaching.

what if you have done none of the above but simply respectfully refused to fill out the dpa without giving any reason for your refusal - so they can't accuse you of openly disagreeing with the no-blood doctrine and df you for apostasy.

they don't know why you're refusing and you're not giving them the reason - and you're being very respectful.. what can they do?.

Jules Saturn

I actually haven't filled it out since my baptism and I currently haven't been reprimanded for it

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When was the book of Lamentations written?

by Jules Saturn in

so i was researching about 587 and 607 and couldn't help but notice that the wbts states that the writing of the book of lamentations was written by jeremiah near jerusalem and was completed in 607 bc.

chapters 2 and 4 of this book describe jehovah's anger towards jerusalem and the terrible effects of jerusalem's siege taking place in chapter 4. can someone clear this up?

was this book written in 607?

Jules Saturn

@smiddy

No I just noticed that it says this in the back of the New World Translation, particularly the 2013 revision, in the back where it says where every book was written, when and by who

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Study article for this week, more self delusion

by stillin in

"set your heart on spiritual treasures.

" i have been thinking about this during the past week.

i always knew that there were no treasures on earth.

Jules Saturn

I almost commented during the congregation study regarding the Generation teaching but at the same time I'm not trying to get pulled into the back room 😅

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When was the book of Lamentations written?

by Jules Saturn in

so i was researching about 587 and 607 and couldn't help but notice that the wbts states that the writing of the book of lamentations was written by jeremiah near jerusalem and was completed in 607 bc.

chapters 2 and 4 of this book describe jehovah's anger towards jerusalem and the terrible effects of jerusalem's siege taking place in chapter 4. can someone clear this up?

was this book written in 607?

Jules Saturn

So I was researching about 587 and 607 and couldn't help but notice that the WBTS states that the writing of the book of Lamentations was written by Jeremiah near Jerusalem and was completed in 607 bc. Chapters 2 and 4 of this book describe Jehovah's anger towards Jerusalem and the terrible effects of Jerusalem's siege taking place in chapter 4. Can someone clear this up? Was this book written in 607? I always find conflicting information that contradicts what I discover.

~Jules

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Interesting reaction regarding Jerusalem's destruction

by Jules Saturn in

so i saw this article on yahoo news this past friday .

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1.

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that jerusalem was destroyed in 586 bc, and it goes along with what is written in the bible.. excerpt from article:.

Jules Saturn

@sir82

But how oblivious can they be?

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Interesting reaction regarding Jerusalem's destruction

by Jules Saturn in

so i saw this article on yahoo news this past friday .

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1.

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that jerusalem was destroyed in 586 bc, and it goes along with what is written in the bible.. excerpt from article:.

Jules Saturn

So I saw this article on yahoo news this past Friday

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/36618776/archaeological-find-in-jerusalem-proves-bible-passage-true/#page1

if you watch the video, it's a short 32 second video, the man says how they've found evidence that confirms that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BC, and it goes along with what is written in the Bible.

Excerpt from article:

The book of Jeremiah says, "Now on the seventh day of the fifth month, which was the nineteenth year of King Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem.

"He burned the house of the Lord, the king’s house, and all the houses of Jerusalem; even every great house he burned with fire."

I thought this was interesting so I decided to show my father and I told him "Look, this article says that these findings go along with what is written in the Bible and when Jerusalem was destroyed."

"607?" He asks. And I tell him "No, 586 BC, because it says that Jerusalem was destroyed in the nineteenth year in Nebuchadnezzar's rule and that is written in the Bible."

He just stared at me for a moment and as he walked away said "Yeah, that's in the Bible."

I'm surprised he didn't try defending 607 with it but what I regret not bringing up to him is what the Watchtower says about it. As a matter of fact, last week's mid week meeting spoke about 607 and how it's bible prophecy. I really am focusing on debating with him less.

Thoughts?

~Jules

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Spirit directed vs inspired

by Jules Saturn in

i've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

in the february 2017 watchtower study article, paragraph 12 says:.

12 the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Jules Saturn

I always watch the JW broadcast to see if I pick up things myself and then whenever Lloyd comes out with his rebuttal I watch it and see if I didn't catch anything he brings out

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Spirit directed vs inspired

by Jules Saturn in

i've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

in the february 2017 watchtower study article, paragraph 12 says:.

12 the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Jules Saturn

I hate that whenever you try to explain this to someone, they look at you as if you have the issue

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Spirit directed vs inspired

by Jules Saturn in

i've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

in the february 2017 watchtower study article, paragraph 12 says:.

12 the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Jules Saturn

I've always been confused as to what the discrepancy is between the phrases "spirit directed/spirit led" and "inspired".

In the February 2017 Watchtower Study article, paragraph 12 says:

12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45) What evidence is there that the Governing Body is filling that role? Let us consider the same three factors that directed the governing body in the first century.

So right off the bat, it states that the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible.

Definition of inspire

a : to influence, move, or guide by divine or supernatural inspiration

In the July 2017 JW Broadcasting, Tony Morris III says "We are proud to be a part of this spirit directed organization."

So they aren't inspired by spirit but are directed by spirit?

What does the article say again in paragraph 12?

"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore it can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction."

But how is it possible to err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction if it is a spirit directed organization?

Is there a point I am missing?

~Jules

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What religions/organizations aren't a cult?

by Jules Saturn in

so we've already established that most religions can be classified as high control groups, we can name the wbts, church of scientology, lds, etc.

the list goes on and on.

but are there any religions or organizations that aren't classified as a high control group or aren't as bad as the ones i've just mentioned?

Jules Saturn

@scratchme1010

I came to that conclusion analyzing Steven Hassan's BITE model. Now in my honest opinion, I feel like that BITE model can be applied with most Christian religions, but maybe that's just my personal opinion